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ΣΗΜΕΡΑ ΑΝ ΚΑΠΟΙΟΣ ΔΕΙ ΤΑ ΣΧΟΛΙΚΑ ΕΓΧΕΙΡΙΔΙΑ ΘΑ ΔΙΑΠΙΣΤΩΣΕΙ ΟΤΙ ΕΜΕΙΣ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΜΑΣΤΕ ΑΥΤΟΧΘΟΝΕΣ ΚΑΤΟΙΚΟΙ ΤΟΥ ΤΟΠΟΥ ΜΑΣ ΑΛΛΑ ΚΑΤΑΓΟΜΑΣΤΕ ΑΠΟ ΙΝΔΟΕΥΡΩΠΑΙΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΑΚΟΜΑ ΘΑ ΔΕΙ ΟΤΙ ΤΟ ΑΛΦΑΒΗΤΟ ΜΑΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΑΝΤΙΓΡΑΦΗ ΤΟΥ ΦΟΙΝΙΚΙΚΟΥ.ΔΕΝ ΕΛΑΒΑΝ ΥΠ ΟΨΙΝ ΤΟΥΣ ΟΙ ΓΡΑΨΑΝΤΕΣ ΤΑ ΑΝΩΘΙ ΟΤΙ Η ΕΠΙΚΡΑΤΟΥΣΑ ΔΙΕΘΝΗΣ ΑΝΤΙΛΗΨΗ ΠΛΕΟΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΤΕΛΕΙΩΣ ΑΝΤΙΘΕΤΗ ΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΘΕΩΡΙΑ ΑΥΤΗ.ΔΕΝ ΕΛΑΒΑΝ ΥΠ ΟΨΙΝ ΤΟΥΣ ΤΑ ΕΥΡΗΜΑΤΑ ΤΟΥ ΚΑΘΗΓΗΤΟΥ ΜΕΣΟΓΕΙΑΚΩΝ ΣΠΟΥΔΩΝ ΣΤΟ ΠΑΝΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΙΟ ΑΙΓΑΙΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΜΕΓΑΛΟΥ ΜΑΣ ΑΡΧΑΙΟΛΟΓΟΥ ΚΥΡΙΟΥ ΑΔΑΜΑΝΤΙΟΥ ΣΑΜΨΩΝ ΠΟΥ ΕΚΑΝΕ ΑΝΑΣΚΑΦΕΣ ΣΤΗΝ ΝΗΣΟ ΓΙΟΥΡΑ ΣΤΗΝ ΜΥΚΟΝΟ ΣΤΗΝ ΚΥΘΝΟ ΣΤΗΝ ΕΥΒΟΙΑ ΣΤΟ ΣΠΗΛΑΙΟ ΣΑΡΑΚΗΝΟΥ ΣΤΗΝ ΕΥΒΟΙΑ ΣΤΗΝ ΙΚΑΡΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΣΕ ΠΟΛΛΑ ΑΚΟΜΗ ΣΗΜΕΙΑ ΤΗΣ ΠΑΤΡΙΔΟΣ ΜΑΣ.Ο ΑΝΘΡΩΠΟΣ ΑΥΤΟΣ ΜΕΤΑ ΑΠΟ 50 ΣΧΕΔΟΝ ΕΤΗ ΑΝΑΣΚΑΦΩΝ ΜΑΣ ΕΔΩΣΕ ΧΙΛΙΕΤΙΕΣ ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΙΚΟΥ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΚΟΥ ΒΑΘΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΣΑΦΗ ΕΙΚΟΝΑ ΓΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΓΡΑΦΗ ΜΑΣ ΔΙΑ ΤΩΝ ΕΥΡΗΜΑΤΩΝ ΤΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΟΣΟΙ ΑΓΑΠΟΥΝ ΤΗΝ ΑΛΗΘΕΙΑ ΤΟΝ ΕΥΓΝΩΜΟΝΟΥΝ .ΑΥΤΟΣ Ο ΜΕΓΑΛΟΣ ΜΑΣ ΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΟΝΑΣ ΠΟΥ ΜΕΣΑ ΑΠΟ ΤΑ 38 ΒΙΒΛΙΑ ΠΟΥ ΕΓΡΑΨΕ ΤΑ ΟΠΟΙΑ ΣΥΜΠΕΡΙΛΑΜΒΑΝΟΥΝ ΜΕΣΑ ΤΟΥΣ ΟΣΑ ΑΝΑΚΑΛΥΨΕ ΑΛΛΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣ ΠΑΡΑ ΠΟΛΛΕΣ ΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΟΝΙΚΕΣ ΑΝΑΚΟΙΝΩΣΕΙΣ ΤΟΥ ΠΟΥ ΑΛΛΑΞΑΝ ΤΗΝ ΕΙΚΟΝΑ ΤΟΥ ΑΡΧΑΙΟΥ ΜΑΣ ΚΟΣΜΟΥ  ΜΑΣ ΕΔΩΣΕ ΤΗΝ ΧΑΡΑ ΝΑ ΜΑΣ ΜΙΛΗΣΕΙ ΣΤΟ ΣΤΟΥΝΤΙΟ ΤΟΥ ΕΡΕΥΝΗΤΙΚΟΥ ΟΡΓΑΝΙΣΜΟΥ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΟΣΑ ΛΕΕΙ ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΙΚΑ ΑΞΙΖΟΥΝ ΝΑ ΜΕΛΕΤΗΘΟΥΝ ΠΡΟΣΕΚΤΙΚΑ…

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Μέσα από μελέτες σας ενισχύεται η άποψη ότι οι Έλληνες ήταν αυτόχθονες και δεν προήλθαν από φύλα που ήρθαν από τον Βορρά ή την Ανατολή. Μπορείτε να μας αναφέρετε τις μελέτες και τα ευρήματα που αποδεικνύουν κάτι τέτοιο;

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Εδώ και πολλές δεκαετίες οι αρχαιολόγοι κυρίως ηθελαν να μας πείσουν ότι τα πάντα ήρθαν από την Ανατολή, οτι από την ανατολή προήλθε το φως, χωρίς να έχουν γίνει πολλές έρευνες. Ο Θεοχάρης έκανε έρευνες στην Θεσσαλία και παρ’ όλο που δεν είχε τα στοιχεία , είχε πίστη οτι υπάρχει γηγενής πληθυσμός που δεν σταμάτησε ποτέ να αναπτύσσεται στην Ελλάδα στην παλαιολιθική, στην μεσολιθική και κατόπιν στην νεολιθική περίοδο. Ωστόσο δεν είχε διεξαγει έρευνες πριν την νεολιθική περίοδο για να μπορέσει να το στηρίξει.Εμείς τα τελευταία 25 χρόνια έχουμε σκάψει πολύ στο Αιγαίο, αρχίζοντας από τα Γιούρα. Στα Γιούρα υπάρχει το γνωστό όστρακο.Μετά από βαθύτερο σκάψιμο φτάσαμε στην «μεσολιθική περίοδο» η οποία ξεκινάει από το 8.500 και φτάνει μέχρι το 7.000 πΧ και για πρώτη φορά ανακαλύπτεται στο Αιγαίο κατι τετοιο.Μέχρι τώρα είχε βρεθεί στην Θεόπετρα στην Θεσσαλία, στην Πελοπόννησο, τώρα όμως βρέθηκε στο Αιγαίο αρχίζοντας από τα Γιούρα και συνεχίζει στην Κύθνο, στην Ικαρία, στην Νάξο κλπ. Στα Γιούρα βρήκαμε πρώιμη εξημέρωση ζώων, άρα και πρώιμη εξημέρωση ειδών που αυτό σημαίνει οτι τα είδη αυτά που ισχυρίζονται οτι προήλθαν από την Ανατολή υπήρχαν στο σπήλαιο από το 8.500 πΧ. Έχει προβληματίσει πολλούς αρχαιολόγους και αρχαιοζωολόγους, ξένους και Έλληνες και είχαν προσπαθήσει να εξηγήσουν πως τα στρώματα του σπηλαίου ήταν ανακατεμένα, κάτι που δεν ισχύει καθώς τα στρώματα του σπηλαίου ήταν ξεκάθαρα  και φαίνεται ξεκάθαρα πως αυτά τα πρώιμα είδη φυτών και ζώων εμφανίζονται στην Ελλάδα αυτή την εποχή.Την ίδια εποχή περίπου βρίσκονται και στην Ανατολή. Δεν αποκλείουμε κάποιες σχέσεις με την Ανατολή, οι σχέσεις αυτές μπορεί να έγιναν από αιγαίους μεσολιθικούς ναυτικούς και με τις έρευνες που είχαμε κάνει έχουμε πείσει πολλούς δύσπιστους αρχαιολόγους που υποστηρίζουν πως προέρχονται από την Ανατολή. Τελικά φαίνεται οτι πηγαίνε από το Αιγαίο προς τα εκεί. Πώς πηγαίνε; Ακολουθησαν την ακτή Ρόδος, Καστελόριζο, Κύπρο και έφτασαν στην Μέση Ανατολή και στην Νότιο Μ.Ασια. Από εκεί λοιπόν ξεκινούν καινούργια επιτεύγματα των ανθρώπων της Ανατολής και εκεί μεταφέρονταν είτε ζωντανά εξημερωμένα ζώα είτε άγρια τα οποία εξημερώνονταν στην Ελλάδα.Κάποια είδη μπορει να συνυπηρχαν και στην Ανατολή και στην Ελλάδα κάποια όμως έχει διαπιστωθεί, όπως ακριβώς το πρόβατο οτι δεν υπήρχε στην Ελλάδα ο άγριος πρόγονος του, και επομένως μεταφέρθηκε από την Ανατολή με τις επαφές των μεσολιθικών Αιγαιακών πληθυσμών. Αυτά είναι καινούργιες ανακαλύψεις, πάρα πολύ πρόσφατες και έχουν ανακοινωθεί σε κάποια συνέδρια πριν δύο τρία χρόνια και δημοσιεύτηκαν σε διάφορους τόμους δυσεύρετους λόγω της πολλαπλής ξένης μετάφρασης που έχουν υποστεί.Αυτά όμως είναι τα τελευταία συμπεράσματα. Στην Κύπρο έχει βρεθεί όχι ένας αλλά πολλοί μικροί οικισμοί της εποχής- γύρω στο 9000 πΧ -που είναι   τα εργαλεία από οψιδιανό, ίδιο με αυτά του Αιγαίου και κατέληξαν πολλοί ξένοι σε ένα κοινό σημείο ΄και είπαν πως αυτά πρέπει να ήρθαν από το Αιγαίο. Μέχρι τώρα κανείς δεν το έλεγε αλλά τώρα το παραδέχονται. Αυτα είναι τα συμπεράσματα της τελευταίας 20ετίας που έχουν βγει από τις έρευνες αυτές.

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Στη Φτελιά της Μυκόνου ανακαλυψατε σπίτια με πέτρα, αψίδες, θεμέλια του 5000 πΧ. Είναι δυνατόν να φτιάχναμε τέτοια πράγματα και να μην είχαμε γλώσσα;Ρώτησα γλωσσολόγους όπως τον κ.Τσολακίδη που του λέω οτι αν κάποιος μεταφερόταν με μία μηχανή του χρόνου στο 15.000 πΧ στην Ελλάδα τί θα άκουγε να μιλάνε; Θα καταλάβαινε ένας νεοέλληνας τί μιλούν αυτοί οι άνθρωποι.Μου απάντησε πως βεβαίως θα καταλάβαινε αν γνώριζε στοιχειώδη γνώση της αρχαίας ελληνικής.Ο κ. Πουλιανός είχε αποκαλύψει με τις έρευνές του οτι οι Σαρακατσάνοι είναι 50.000 χρονιά Ελληνική φυλή. Είμαστε γηγενείς είτε το θέλουμε είτε όχι. Ο κ.Τριανταφυλλίδης καθηγητής γενετιστής εδώ στο Αριστοτέλειο, μου έδωσε την μελέτη του και απέδειξε οτι το 75% του DNA προέρχεται από την παλαιολιθική και 25% από την νεολιθική εποχή και δεν έγιναν επιμιξίες μεταξύ εμάς και άλλων λαών διότι οι πρόγονοί μας είχαν το «πας μοι Έλλην βάρβαρος» και οι κατακτητές μας ήταν αλλόθρησκοι και για αυτό δεν έγιναν επιμιξίες και έμεινε καθαρό το DNA μας μέχρι σήμερα.Θελω τα σχολια σας επι αυτων.

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Στην Βοιωτία, στο σπήλαιο Σαρακηνού το οποίο σκάβω περίπου 22 χρόνια -κάθε χρόνο πηγαίνω και κάνω μία ανασκαφή εκεί-, έχουμε βρει ελάχιστα παλαιολιθικά ευρήματα εκ των οποίων τα πιο σημαντικά ήταν τρία δόντια τα οποία τοποθετούνται στην μεσολιθική εποχή δηλαδή γύρω στο 9000 έως το 8500 πΧ. Αυτά τα δόντια έφεραν κάποιο DNA το οποίο έδειξε συγγένεια με το νεολιθικό DNA και το παλαιολιθικό που υπάρχει στη Θεόπετρα στη Θεσσαλία. Αυτό δείχνει μία συνέχεια του πληθυσμού και υπάρχει συγγένεια από την παλαιολιθική στην μεσολιθική και μετά στην νεολιθική εποχή.Ενα μέρος των τελευταίων αποτελεσμάτων που είχαμε τα οποία έγιναν στην Πολωνία από κάποιους ερευνητές ( συνεργάζομαι μάλιστα με Πολωνούς αρχαιολόγους στο σπήλαιο αυτό εδώ και χρόνια) ήθελαν την Ελλάδα έρημη κατά την μεσολιθική εποχή, από το 9000 μέχρι το 6500 πΧ και μετά άποικοι από την Ανατολή εγκαταστάθηκαν στον Ελλαδικό χώρο.Αυτή ήταν θεωρία Αμερικανών και Άγγλων μελετητών. Μετά από τα ευρήματα στο Αιγαίο, δεν μιλάει κανείς. Μέχρι τώρα έλεγαν πως η Ελλάδα ήταν έρημη πως φέραν από εκεί τα ζώα κλπ και η Ελλάδα δεν είχε τίποτα.Υπήρχε στον Ελλαδικό χωρο το άγριο κατσίκι το οποίο αργότερα εξαφανίστηκε γιατί άλλαξε το κλήμα, αλλά είπαμε ότι κάποια είδη υπήρχαν στην Ελλάδα και κάποια άλλα τα μετέφεραν από την Μ.Ασία. Ο πληθυσμός όμως πρέπει να ήταν ο ίδιος.Υπάρχει μια συνέχεια, δεν διακόπτεται ο πολιτισμός.Δεν υπάρχει ερήμωση στην Ελλάδα όπως θέλαν μέχρι τώρα οι ξένοι αρχαιολόγοι. Την εποχή αυτή που λέμε υπάρχει μια θεωρία ενός Άγγλου αρχαιολόγου η οποία λέει ότι από τον Πόντο ( από τον Καύκασο) κατέβηκαν πληθυσμοί στην Ελλάδα από το 6500 με 7000 πΧ και την κατοίκησαν γιατί ήταν έρημη. Στη συνέχεια υπάρχουν κι άλλες θεωρίες που λένε ότι κατέβηκαν κάποιοι το 5000πΧ, επίσης κάποιοι άλλοι γύρω στο 3000 πΧ δηλαδή όλο κατέβαιναν από πάνω. Ο πληθυσμός που κατεβαίνει από κάπου τόσο μακριά φέρνει μαζί του πολιτισμικά στοιχεία του λαού του, όπως είναι η κεραμική του, ο τρόπος ταφής κλπ.Δεν βρέθηκαν στην Ελλάδα διαφορετικά ταφικά έθιμα αυτών των πληθυσμών τους οποίους ονόμασαν πουργκαλ και οι οποίοι ήρθαν από τον Καύκασο. Μπορεί να έφθασαν μέχρι την Βουλγαρία γιατί εκεί αναφέρονται κάποιοι τύμβοι των Πουργκάλ αλλά στην Ελλάδα δεν έχει βρεθεί κάτι τέτοιο αυτή την εποχή που να θυμίσει ξένο πολιτιστικό στοιχείο που να έρχεται από αλλού.Από εκεί λένε πως ήρθαν λέξεις και γλώσσα η οποία είναι ενταγμένη στη γλώσσα μας, αυτή είναι μια θεωρία περασμένη διότι είχαν στοιχεία μιας γλώσσας ενσωματωμένης στην Ελλαδική γλώσσα και έλεγαν οτι αυτά ήταν προελληνικά.Δεν είμαι γλωσσολόγος και δεν μπορώ να εισέλθω σε όρους όμως αυτό που έχω να πω ως αρχαιολόγος από τις έρευνες είναι πως δεν έχουμε ξένο φυλετικό στοιχείο στην Ελλάδα.

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Γράμματα του ελληνικού αλφάβητου ευρέθηκαν σε αγγεία της μήλου της 3ης χιλιετίας π.Χ.Όταν λέτε ότι υπάρχει πιθανότητα από την μελέτη των ευρημάτων να προκύψει η ύπαρξη μίας “πρωτοελληνικής” ή “πρωτοβαλκανικής” γραφής, τι εννοείτε;

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Αυτά τα νεολιθικά σύμβολα όπως στα Γιούρα κλπ, χρονολογούνται γύρω στο 5000 με 4500 π.Χ .Αυτά υπάγονται στην ομάδα της πρωτοβαλκανικής γραφής γιατί υπάρχουν σε όλα τα Βαλκάνια με πυρήνα την Σερβία, την Ουγγαρία κλπ οπου απλώνεται πολύ αυτή η γραφή.Στη Μήλο, όμως εμφανίζονται πολύ πιο ύστερα και φτάνουν περίπου το 3000 πΧ , επομένως δεν μπορείς να πεις οτι ανήκει σε αυτή την γλωσσολογική ομάδα διότι της Μήλου είναι ξεκάθαρα ελληνικά γράμματα, μία εξέλιξη από την νεολιθική γραφή , ενώ αυτά της πρωτοβαλκανικής γραφής είναι σύμβολα και έχουμε γύρω στο 2500 πΧ  κάποιες γαβάθες σαν πιάτα τα οποία βρέθηκαν στοιβαγμένα μέσα σε έναν τάφο και το κάθε αγγείο είχε πάνω ένα γράμμα.Είναι η πρώτη φορά που βρίσκουμε κάτι τέτοιο, έχουν μία κανονικότητα και δεν είναι μόνο αυτά υπάρχουν κι άλλα. Εγώ πιστεύω πως υπάρχει κάτι που μοιάζει με τα σημερινά ελληνικά γράμματα καθώς αδιαμόρφωτα υπήρχαν ήδη στην νεολιθική εποχή. Αυτά εξελίχθηκαν στη συνέχεια στην Γραμμική Γραφή Β’ η οποία εκτός από τα δεκάδες σύμβολα που έχει, περιέχει κάποια που πιθανόν να είναι εξέλιξη των νεολιθικών γραμμάτων.Τελικά όλα αυτά εξελίχθησαν στην ελληνική γραφή που άρχισε να υπάρχει στην Ελλάδα το 700-750 πΧ. Οι Φοινικες είχαν πράγματι μια γραφή, είχαν σύμβολα, μόνο σύμφωνα και χωρίς φωνήεντα όπως οι Σημίτες.Δεν φτάνω στο σημείο να αμφισβητήσω τους γλωσσολόγους και το μέχρι σήμερα κατεστημένο δεν μπορούμε να το απορρίψουμε εντελώς, εμείς έχουμε ευρήματα που σε αυτά στηριζόμαστε.Οι νέες εξελίξεις αργούν πολύ να μπουν στο μυαλό των επιστημόνων, υπάρχουν πολλοί που αντιδρούν και γιαυτο πρέπει να περάσουν πολλά χρόνια για φτάσουν στο διδακτικό βιβλίο.

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Ο Έβανς λέει οτι τα φοινικικά γράμματα είναι αντιγραφή των Κρητικών. Ο Αριστοτέλης λέει « ο Παλαμήδης άφωνα και φωνούντα εξηύρε συλλαβάς κι ανθρώπινης και γράμματα ιδέναι ».Ο Παλαμήδης βρήκε 14 από τα 24 γράμματα που χρησιμοποιούμε και τα υπόλοιπα τα βρήκαν ο Επίχαρμος ο Συμεωνίδης και ο Λίνος. Κάποια από τα γράμματα που ανακάλυψε ο Παλαμήδης είναι το χ,μ,ν,α,υ,δ, σε αυτή την γραφή που βρήκατε εσείς είναι ξεκάθαρο ότι βλέπουμε το χ και το ν στην Μήλο.Δεν μπορεί κάποιος να το αμφισβητήσει αυτό.Πρεπει να πουμε εδώ ότι ο Παλαμηδης ηταν ηρωας του Τρωικου Πολεμου και εάν εχουμε ευρηματα του 2.500 π.Χ με γραμματα που ανακαλυψε  ο Παλαμήδης τοτε θα πρεπει να αναθεωρήσουμε και για το ποτε εγινε ο Τρωικος Πολεμος. Κυριε καθηγητα παρακαλω τα σχολια σας.

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Η γραφή στην Ελλάδα είναι πολύ παλαιότερη από αυτή των Φοινίκων. Αυτό το ν πολλοί μπορούν να το θεωρήσουν ως σύμβολο που ενώνει τρεις γραμμές, ή ένα διακοσμητικό θέμα που όμως εκείνη την περίοδο τα διακοσμητικά σύμβολα ήταν εντελώς διαφορετικά. Ο Τρωικός πόλεμος είναι πολύ νεότερος και υπολογίζουμε οτι έγινε το 1250πΧ περίπου. Κοιτάξτε πρόκειται για μυθικά πρόσωπα και δεν μπορώ να βασιστώ σε αυτά. Δεν ξέρω τι κάνουν οι γλωσσολόγοι κι αν είναι ενημερωμένοι για αυτά.Εμείς οτι βρίσκουμε το καταγράφουμε και το δημοσιεύουμε.Με κάλεσαν στη Σερβία πριν μια δεκαετία το 2005 και έκανα μία διάλεξη για τα σύμβολα αυτά των ευρηματων στο σπηλαιο των  Γιούρων, της Μυκόνου κλπ.Έγινε, λοιπόν ένα μεγάλο συνέδριο που ήταν αφιερωμένο στη γραφή αυτή των Βαλκανίων που εμφανίστηκε το   5000-5500 πΧ  και προκάλεσε μεγάλη εντύπωση η δήλωσή μου. Παρότι γνώριζαν ελάχιστα πράγματα, εκεί είδαν ολοι χιλιάδες σύμβολα καθως είχα ανεβάσει μία εκπληκτική έκθεση με 4000 περίπου προσωπικές φωτογραφίες αντικείμενων.Είχα μια κάμερα και έχω τραβήξει ταινία όλο το συνέδριο και πολλοί ερευνητές μου έκαναν ανακοινώσεις και γλωσσολόγοι πάνω σε αυτό το θέμα, σε αυτή την γραφή.Δεν μπορούμε να την ερμηνεύσουμε ούτε να πούμε τί απεικονίζουν τα σύμβολα αυτά. Κάποιοι βέβαια έκαναν κάποιες εικασίες και είπαν οτι κάποια απεικονίζουν τον ήλιο, την σελήνη, τον πατέρα, την μητέρα, το παιδί κλπ.Αυτό το συνέδριο που έγινε και επαναλήφθηκε ξανά στη Σόφια πριν από λίγα χρόνια δίνει στοιχεία που  είναι άγνωστα στους Έλληνες αρχαιολόγους και γλωσσολόγους.Στην πινακίδα του Δισπυλιού κάποιοι Γερμανοί είπαν οτι απλώς ήταν στίγματα από φαγώματα των ζωυφίων της λίμνης και οτι δεν είναι σύμβολα αλλά φθορά της πινακίδας και του ξύλου.Αγνοούν πάρα πολλά οι επιστήμονες στην Ελλάδα και πολλοί ξένοι.

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Εχετε πληροφορίες για καθαρά ελληνικά ευρήματα, όπως ναυάγια, νεκροταφεία αλλά και για μια ολόκληρη πόλη στο Μανάου, βαθιά στον Αμαζόνιο, στους πρόποδες των ‘Ανδεων. Αυτό τί σημαίνει για τα ελληνικά φύλλα;
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Εγώ δεν έχω γράψει κάτι τέτοιο, αυτό ίσως είναι μια πληροφορία που έμαθα οτι έχει γραφτεί στον τύπο, στο Ρίο Ντετζανέιρο. Καταρχήν είχαν βρει ένα πλοίο στην ακτή το οποίο το μετέφεραν σε μουσείο και το οποίο το αποσιώπησαν (οπως και άλλη πληροφορία πως μέσα στον Αμαζόνιο, βρέθηκε μια πόλη ελληνική).Αυτό είχε γραφτεί στον τύπο της Βραζιλίας.Όταν πήγα στο Περού είχα κάνει μια έρευνα με τον Ενρίκο Ματίεβιτς ο οποίος είχε γράψει ένα βιβλίο στο οποίο υποστήριζε οτι οι Έλληνες έφθασαν μέχρι τον Αμαζόνιο και ανέβηκαν μέχρι τις Άνδεις και έφτιαξαν τον πολιτισμό των Ίνκας. Αυτό είναι λίγο περίεργο.Είχαμε κάνει μια αποστολή πριν 20 χρόνια, εγώ και άλλοι δύο καθηγητές από το Πολυτεχνείο και ερευνούσαμε το Περού ένα μήνα. Ο Ενρίκο Ματίεβιτς μένει στο Ρίο Ντε Τζανέιρο και είναι καθηγητής στο πανεπιστήμιο εκεί. Ο ιδιος μου έδωσε τέτοιες πληροφορίες.Τίποτε δεν αποκλείεται καθως οι Έλληνες και οι Φοίνικες ταξίδευαν συνεχώς σε ανοιχτές θάλασσες.Πιθανότατα πλοία παρασύρθηκαν και ξεβράστηκαν στις ακτές της Βραζιλίας.Όμως αμφιβάλλω αν αυτοί οι άνθρωποι γύρισαν πίσω.Υπάρχουν κάποιες πληροφορίες για την Γουατεμάλα όπου είπαν πως έχουν βρεθεί και ελληνικοί τάφοι.Έχουν γραφτεί και αυτά στις εκει τοπικες εφημερίδες.Στην Αργεντινή επίσης είπαν οτι βρέθηκε ένας μακεδονικός τάφος.Βέβαια όλα αυτά μπορεί να μας διαφημίζουν σαν Έλληνες.Κάποιοι λένε οτι η γλώσσα του ειρηνικού μοιάζει με τα Ελληνικά. Έκανα ένα μάθημα στο Πανεπιστήμιο που ονομάζεται Παγκόσμια αρχαιολογία, ένα μάθημα πρωτότυπο και για αυτό με κατηγόρησαν πολλοί.Είχα γράψει μάλιστα ένα βιβλίο που το έδινα στους μαθητές. Σε αυτό το μάθημα εξέταζα όλους τους πολιτισμούς του κόσμου, μέχρι τα νησιά του Πάσχα.Στόχος μου ήταν να δείξω στους φοιτητές μου ότι δε υπάρχουμε μόνο οι Έλληνες στον κόσμο που έχουμε αρχαιολογία, υπάρχουν πολιτισμοί πολύ σπουδαίοι.Ο αρχαιολόγος πρέπει να έχει μια γενική ιδέα των πολιτισμών.Με κατηγόρησαν συνάδελφοι και από άλλα πανεπιστήμια ρωτώντας με γιατί κάνω αυτό το μάθημα και τι προσφέρει. Είμασταν το μόνο αρχαιολογικό τμήμα στην Ελλάδα που κάναμε αυτό το μάθημα.Επισης 55000 Ελληνικες λέξεις υπάρχουν στην Αγγλική γλώσσα και αυτό είναι σαφη δειγμα του τι δωσαμε στον παγκοσμιο πολιτισμο όμως δεν  είμαστε μόνο εμείς αλλά και οι Λατίνοι καθώς και η λατινική γλώσσα βρίσκεται μέσα σε πολλές σημερινές γλώσσες.Αλλά και η λατινική γλώσσα πήρε από εμάς.

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Από πότε νομίζετε κυριε καθηγητα  ότι κατοικούμε συνεχως στην Ελλάδα  σύμφωνα με τα ευρήματά σας αλλα και των συναδέλφων σας;Είναι μια δύσκολη ερώτηση.

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Από την παλαιολιθική περίοδο είχαμε μία συνέχεια στη μεσολιθική και νεολιθική. Δεν έχουν γίνει πολλές έρευνες πάνω στην παλαιολιθική στην Ελλάδα.Τα πιο παλαιά είναι στη μέση παλαιολιθική, γύρω στα 5000 χρόνια πριν από τις θεσεις  που υπάρχουν στην Θεσσαλία οπου επισης υπαρχουν πάρα πολλές θέσεις, στις Βόρειες Σποράδες στα νησάκια, στην Αλόννησο, στα Γιούρα είναι γεμάτο παλαιολιθικά στοιχεία.Επίσης έχουμε και στην Μακεδονία παλαιολιθικές θέσεις καθώς υπάρχει και ο άνθρωπος των Πετραλώνων και ο Τριγλιανός γύρω στα 11.000.000 χρόνια πριν, αλλά δεν μπορεί κανείς να πει τίποτα για αυτόν.Για τον άνθρωπο homo erectus που βρέθηκε στα Πετράλωνα και αυτό είναι ένα μεμονωμένο εύρημα.Έχουν γίνει ανακατατάξεις γεωλογικές πολλές και δεν μπορούμε να τα βρούμε εύκολα.Ο homo erectus την ίδια εποχή έχει βρεθεί και στον Καύκασο, που έχει προέλθει από την Αφρική.Η θεωρία θέλει να έχουν προέλθει από την Αφρική,να πέρασαν στην Μέση Ανατολή,να ανέβηκαν προς τα πάνω και από εκεί στην Ευρώπη και στην Ελλάδα.Η πορεία που ακολούθησε ο άνθρωπος ήταν από την Βαλτική μέσω Τουρκίας και πήγαν επάνω και από εκεί κατέληξαν στην Ευρώπη.Ο Τριγλιανός είναι ένα απολίθωμα μεμονωμένο και δεν μπορείς να το βάλεις σε κάποιο ανθρωπολογικό τύπο και να το κατατάξεις.Έχει βρεθεί ένας στην Ιταλία που είναι ένας άνθρωπος ο οποίος είναι κοντά στα 11.000.000 χρόνια, το ίδιο και στην Κίνα, Ρωσία και παντού έχουν βρεθεί απολιθώματα πρωτόγονου ανθρώπου.Αυτό που μπορούμε να πούμε είναι ότι η παρουσια μας εδώ  αρχίζει στην μέση παλαιολιθική χονδρικά 50-60.000 χρόνια πριν  και συνεχίζεται στις ανώτερες περιόδους.Όλα τα υπόλοιπα απολιθώματα αποτελούν μεμονωμένα ευρήματα. Για να βρεθουν και αλλα στοιχεια χρειαζεται ερευνα και δυστυχως είναι λίγοι αυτοι που ερευνούν σήμερα .Οι περισσότεροι κάθονται σε ένα γραφείο σε κάποιο μουσείο ή οργανισμό ΄η αρχαιολογία όμως θέλει περπάτημα, θέλει έρευνα και σκάψιμο.

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Σε κάθε περιοχή και σε κάθε σπήλαιο που σκάβετε φέρνεται στο φως χιλιάδες ευρήματα που όμως τα περισσότερα από αυτά δεν έχουν την ευκαιρία να εκτεθούν δημοσίως ώστε να προβληθούν και μαζί τους ο πολιτισμός που κουβαλούν. Τι θα πρέπει να γίνει ώστε να εκτεθούν στο ευρύ κοινό;

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Όλα αυτά τα ευρήματα συνηθίζω να τα δημοσιεύω γρήγορα  σε βιβλία.Όταν τελειώσω κάποια ανασκαφή βγαίνει κάποιο βιβλίο, μελέτες και δημοσιεύονται.Το πού πάνε αυτά τα ευρήματα είναι ένα καλό ερώτημα αφού τοποθετούνται στις αποθήκες των μουσείων.Θα σας πω ένα παράδειγμα.Στο σπήλαιο Σαρακηνού που σκάβουμε εδώ και 22 χρόνια έχουμε συγκεντρώσει τόσο υλικό που μπορεί να γεμίσει ένα ολόκληρο μουσείο.Εκεί έχουμε φτάσει 10 μέτρα και έχουμε βρει  νεολιθικά ειδώλια περίπου 2.500 τεμαχια.Πάρα πολύ υλικό.Αυτά λοιπόν πήγαν στην Θήβα και η Θήβα- επειδή λόγω ζημιών στο προηγούμενο μουσειο επρόκειτο να κτίσει νέο μουσείο το οποίο θα λειτουργήσει φέτος- είχε ζητήσει να διαλέξουμε τα 100 καλύτερα ευρήματα. Εγώ διάλεξα 100 αντικείμενα με δυσκολία και στο τέλος μου ανακοινώνουν ότι θα βάλουν μόνο 20. Η Θήβα έχει μεγάλο πολιτισμό, δεν έχει προβληθεί και  πραγματικά ανακαλύπτονται φοβερά πράγματα.Βλέπετε δηλαδή πως το υλικό δεν προβάλλεται, μένει στις αποθήκες και προβάλλεται από τις δημοσιεύσεις που ίσως να μην μπορεί ο καθένας να τα δει αλλά μόνο οι ειδικοί, οι επιστήμονες καθώς εμείς τα δημοσιεύουμε στα Αγγλικά.Εγώ δέχομαι επισκέπτες και σχολεία όταν σκάβουμε. Έρχονται σύλλογοι, σχολεία και τους ξεναγούμε κατά την διάρκεια των ανασκαφών.Αυτό το σπήλαιο του Σαρακηνου θα μπορούσε να αξιοποιηθεί κι να γίνει επισκέψιμο ΄όμως δεν είναι εύκολα τα πράγματα διότι χρειάζονται πολλά χρήματα και μελέτες κλπ, μία χρονοβόρα διαδικασία.Εγώ έχω ξεκινήσει προσπάθειες για να αξιοποιηθεί το σπήλαιο, όμως δεν προχωράει λόγω κρίσης και τα πράγματα είναι δύσκολα ενώ θα μπορούσε κάτω από το σπήλαιο να γίνει ένα μικρό μουσείο που να περιέχει όλα αυτά τα ευρήματα. Υπάρχουν ευρωπαικα κονδύλια για αρχαιολογικές έρευνες αλλά δεν τα εκμεταλλεύονται λογω γραφειοκρατιας και γυρίζουν πίσω.Κάθε περιφέρεια διαθέτει πολλά λεφτά για να τα ρίξει σε έργα εκτός από οδικά δίκτυα κλπ αλλά και αρχαιολογικά.Το μουσείο των Θηβών έγινε επειδή χορηγήθηκε το ποσο μεσω ΕΣΠΑ και είναι ένα πολύ ωραίο μουσείο και έγινε με ξένα χρήματα -δεν το πληρώσαμε εμείς .Πολλά λεφτά γυρνούν πίσω γιατί αργούν, ξέρετε υπάρχει μια διαδικασία, γραφειοκρατία και δεν υπάρχει όρεξη για δουλειά για να απορροφηθούν τα χρήματα.
–ΠΑΠΑΖΗΣΗΣ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΣ
ΔΗΜΟΣΙΟΓΡΑΦΟΣ ΣΥΓΓΡΑΦΕΑΣ
–ΣΟΦΙΑ ΧΡΗΣΤΟΥ
ΔΗΜΟΣΙΟΓΡΑΦΟΣ

 

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